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Author:  peaceingout [ Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  the Moms, The Bride, and Mummikins

What is the significance behind all the guys having these nicknames for their mothers, if any?

Author:  testforecho [ Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the Moms, The Bride, and Mummikins

I read it as a way to show a disconnect in the how this family relates. Kind of like how Bart calls his dad Homer. The Incandezas live together and relate to each other. They don't communicate well and seem to dwell in their own interior silos. When they do talk it's as if to an acquaintance.

"Hey its Homer" said Bart. "Bart call me Father" said Homer. "Homer" said Bart. "I said Father." said Homer. "Fathomer" said Bart. "Why you little" said Homer.

Author:  stephaniejane [ Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: the Moms, The Bride, and Mummikins

peaceingout wrote:
What is the significance behind all the guys having these nicknames for their mothers, if any?


I think it has to do with identity and the different faces that people present to different people in their lives. The Moms is a different person than Avril, in certain ways. Part of it's just natural - we're going to be slightly different at work than we would be after a few drinks with friends - but in a book that deals with the masks we all wear and the way people hide (sometimes compulsively) from each other, I think it calls particular attention to our multiple selves.

Author:  illogicaljoker [ Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the Moms, The Bride, and Mummikins

It's not just nicknames for their mother, though, it's their father, too. Neither of them seem able to call him by his name--in fact, the only people who can really call James by his name are the alcoholics in AA, who tend to talk to a "Jim." These particular nicknames, particularly the Moms, sort of makes them larger-than-life, that is, it disassociates them from actually being "people." The idea of actually meeting an Avril is terrifying, the thought that that person exists, let alone is related to you. But I can understand this epic "Moms," this embodiment of such universal mothering--as in, a plurality of moms--that she somehow ceases to exist, herself; this, what Bain notes is a simulacrum's behavior, or what Wallace flat-out labels as showing anhedonic tendencies.

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