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| Author: | storm [ Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
Lucien's broom reminded me of DFWs book Broom of the System (Not just because of the word 'broom.') BOS digs deep into Wittgenstein's grapples with words and meaning. In BOS, characters are asked whether the handle or the sweeping end is the most essential element of the broom; where is the "broomness" of a broom stored. For most of us, the answer tends to be the sweeping end. According to BOS, this is something Wittgenstein wrestled with; our intentions shape the meaning of words. Wittgenstein thinks of language as an element of daily life that looses all meaning when it's pulled out of the "rough ground" of the world and is placed on the "frictionless ice" of philosophy. Philosophical problems arise when language is forced from its proper home and into a metaphysical environment, where all the familiar and necessary landmarks and contextual clues are absent. In other words any solutions to philosophical problems aren't really solutions at all because without the friction, language can't do its work. So Wittgenstein thinks philosophers must "bring words back from their metaphysical to their everyday use." They do not stand independent of us. So while "broom" is a sweeping thing for most of us, some might see the handle as the truly crucial element or find the whole word game of which end of the broom is the broom part as nonsensical the way Lucien seems to; he has a sharpened stick that he bound broom-corn to making it a weapon, a cleaning tool, a point at entertainment (entertainent) cartridges device, and perhaps also a sort of security blanket. I find it curious that, despite the presence of the AFR, Lucien will not let go of his broom and get his pants up. |
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| Author: | paris [ Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
This is a really GREAT explanation of Wittgenstein and the problem with philosophical language. And I LOVE the way that you've tied it back to Lucien's broom, which is indeed a curious instrument in that very unglorious scene (ouch). also just wrote a post on Wittgenstein that I highly recommend for anyone thinking about language in Infinite Jest (which presumably everyone is - Detox reminds us to go back to p. 1 to think about the individual "trapped" in language if we haven't been). He makes the crucial distinction between a world "constructed" of language (bad way to think about it) and a world "immersed" in language (good), with a little help from Bob Death's fish joke: "what the fuck is water"? See http://infinitedetox.wordpress.com/2009 ... d-writing/ A philosopher myself, I can attest to the slipperiness of that icy world - though a post-Tractatus Wittgenstein might also agree that skating on the ice is not only an absence but also a practical activity, a use of language that can serve to enhance our grasp of parts of the world, or the intersection of self and world. |
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| Author: | dioramaorama [ Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
Ooh if language is the water then it makes perfect sense that Lucien makes 'the strangled impeded sounds of absolute aphonia, the landed-fish gasps that accompany speechlessness in dreams' (488) So if Lucien is basically mute and doesn't use language, he can't be trapped in it. His 'broom' functions in more ways than my broom would, because I see/read broom and think pretty much only about sweeping the floor. So what does it say about language when he dies and sounds a 'call-to-arms in all the world's well-known tongues'? And that before he dies he attempts to forms 'words that are not and can never be words'? |
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| Author: | infinitedetox [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
Awesome thread -- I've never been able to get past the disturbing violence of the Lucien scene but thinking about it in terms of language is helping to make some sense of it. You guys are absolutely right, it's really fruitful to think of Lucien as not 'trapped' in language the same way the rest of us are, in that he's free to conceive of his 'broom' as he sees fit. On the other hand, his freedom-from-language (I feel like there should be a polysyllabic German word for this) is entrapping as well, because he can't communicate with the outside world. It's a similar kind of cage to the one Hal finds himself in at the beginning of the book. You're either trapped in language or you're trapped without it -- one of those double-binds again, I guess. Re: the Wittgensteinian freedom of Lucien's relationship to his 'broom' ("a weapon, a cleaning tool, a point at entertainment (entertainent) cartridges device, and perhaps also a sort of security blanket," as storm pointed out), the interesting twist on this is that of all the ways Lucien thought of the broom, I suspect he never imagined it as the instrument of his own death. So there's yet another way in which freedom is a double-edged sword (almost literally, in this case). I would cf. this to Steeply and Marathe's conversations on freedom, too. One last thing -- for a great distillation of Wallace's thoughts on Wittgenstein, check out this 1993 (the page takes forever to load -- just be patient:) The whole thing is well-worth a read but the Wittgenstein stuff is about 3/4ths the way down. |
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| Author: | stephaniejane [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
| Author: | storm [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
I love where this thread is going, but a quick tangent: Now that we've gotten past this scene, how much did that broom-as-police-lock image remind people of Mario? Either Carlisle or Burns writes about it as a blatant linking of Lucien to Mario's innocence. To my knowledge, it is the only mention of a police lock outside of those concerning Mario. Just wanted to make sure the issue was out there. |
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| Author: | EverybodyHurts [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
Not to mention the death=freedom imagery. |
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| Author: | josh71 [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
Great discussion. I just wanted to mention that the title "The Broom of the System" was apparently from DFW's maternal grandmother's saying, "You should eat apples. They're the Broom of the System." Meaning, I guess, they help clean out your digestive system. In the case of Lucien's death, the Broom was an actual broom. Ugh. |
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| Author: | dioramaorama [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
| Author: | infinitedetox [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lucien Antitoi's broom; trouble for Wittgenstein |
I know, that RCF interview is an absolute treasure-trove. I've got more on Wittgenstein's "small dense dot" and its resonances in <i>IJ</i> . I think there are some really interesting connections to be made with this stuff.. |
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