Infinite Summer

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 Post subject: Re: The face in the floor
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:42 pm 
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iwearshoess wrote:
Those Marathe/Steeply parts are the key to understanding "The Entertainment," and they get much more interesting when they start to make more sense (which, I promise, they do).

Wallace really isn't trying to trick us as readers, and I found that a lot of the "what the hell??" parts of the book eventually panned out if I just stuck with it, filed the part/characters in my mind, and kept on going trusting that DFW will clarify later on.

Please don't post like this in Daily Discussions. I know you are only trying to encourage everyone, but it is somewhat spoilerish. I know I am not alone when I am irritated by the "just wait and see" type comments. I'd rather experience the unfolding myself and not even know what to expect, including those "what the hell" type parts.

Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: The face in the floor
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agreed.


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Agreed times 100. I also wonder what the point of many of these "it will all become clear later" posts. They certainly don't explain, reveal or enlighten anything in anyway. IJ is so much about Parent/Child relationships that I find it particularly odd that those that seem to need to pat us newbies on the head like an innocent child don't catch the irony in their own actions!


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 Post subject: Re: The face in the floor
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:02 pm 
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This is also a kind of creepy David Lynchean moment for me, and DFW has said in an interview that he was very influenced by David Lynch. He specifically said that seeing Blue Velvet sort of provided a key to help him take his writing in another direction. I believe I saw this interview on Youtube.


It's been what, decades? but I distinctly remember that there's a nightmare face in the floor scene in a Twin Peaks episode.


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That's really interesting denisess. Thanks for that.


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I distinctly remember that there's a nightmare face in the floor scene in a Twin Peaks episode.

Yeah, it was seen by Laura's cousin, Madeline, kind of as a foreshadowing of her own death at the Palmer house.

Ah, Twin Peaks...


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troybob wrote:
I distinctly remember that there's a nightmare face in the floor scene in a Twin Peaks episode.

Yeah, it was seen by Laura's cousin, Madeline, kind of as a foreshadowing of her own death at the Palmer house.

Ah, Twin Peaks...



Don't get me started on Twin Peaks. The reason I'm reading IJ is because I mentioned to my cousins (and fellow TP fans) way back when that there was an essay about David Lynch in A Supposedly Fun Thing... and they said I should read IJ. I bought it shortly afterwards and it sat unread on my bookshelf, until I found out about Infinite Summer and decided to get down to it.

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The face in the floor reminded me of the poem/ballad "The Face On the Bar Room Floor" which was written by Hugh Antoine D'arcy in 1887. A man who once was an artist but is now a "bum" and also a drunk offers to tell the story to his fellow drinkers of losing his true love who had eyes that petrified his brain such was her beauty. He paint the face on the floor to show how beautiful the woman was but he is struck dead by the portrait.

This poem was incorporated into a drinking song at Mount Holyoke College. Since DFW went to Amherst College near Mount Holyoke (an all-women's college that invites Amherst guys over a lot), he may have attended a few mixers and heard the song there? Or seen the Charlie Chaplin movie based on the poem.


I think the almost comically tiny reader's guide by Stephen Burn (DFW's Infinite Jest: A Reader's Guide) refers to that poem. It could also be in Carlisle's Elegant Complexity. Is anyone using either while reading IJ? I put them aside this time around, but I know I stumbled across the idea of a connection to the D'arcy poem when I read IJ with the help of Burn and Carlisle.


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bloatedsack wrote:
iwearshoess wrote:
Those Marathe/Steeply parts are the key to understanding "The Entertainment," and they get much more interesting when they start to make more sense (which, I promise, they do).

Wallace really isn't trying to trick us as readers, and I found that a lot of the "what the hell??" parts of the book eventually panned out if I just stuck with it, filed the part/characters in my mind, and kept on going trusting that DFW will clarify later on.

Please don't post like this in Daily Discussions. I know you are only trying to encourage everyone, but it is somewhat spoilerish. I know I am not alone when I am irritated by the "just wait and see" type comments. I'd rather experience the unfolding myself and not even know what to expect, including those "what the hell" type parts.

Thank you.


Agreed! I've been avoiding these forums for that exact reason. I'm giving them another chance again because I'm missing out on a lot, but I almost wish there were two separate forums, for people reading this for the first time and then repeat readers, so we would be able to express ideas without possible spoilers.


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