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This is a pretty obvious point, I guess, but I think it's worth discussing.

Hal and Gately are wildly different protagonists, and they don't come into physical contact in IJ (except when digging up Himself's head[!!!]), but there are a lot of weird little concordances between them. What have you guys noticed so far?

Here are a couple of things I've been thinking about:

1. Re Hal's essay on "Hawaii-Five-O"'s Steve McGarrett versus "Hill Street Blues"'s Frank Furillo, in which he predicts that the next American hero will be catatonic: And so here's Don G. lying perfectly still in his hospital bed, heroically refusing Demerol, pretty much unable to speak. Contrast that with how Hal ends up -- well, OK, my own particular take on how Hal ends up: DMZ radically alters the user's relationship to time, right? (You can probably guess that I favor the DMZ theory over the Entertainment theory, but I suppose you could say the same thing about the Entertainment.) What I think happens to Hal is that he enters a state where EVERYTHING in his head comes out whenever he tries to communicate. (And I'd said Hal's head holds more than the average.) It's impossible to communicate as fast as he thinks, so everything gets sped up and smashed together like some sort of a defective cassette tape. It's sort of the opposite of J.O.I.'s vision of his son -- instead of a "mute" Hal, we get an incredibly loquacious one. Trouble is, he's too loquacious for anyone to understand.
So we have a situation where both of our heroes are incommunicado, but in opposite ways and for opposite reasons (and, I hope, with opposite results).

2. Judging from the website and forums, there are a lot of people out there who LOVE Hal and don't really feel that strongly about Don G. To them I say: "Whaaat???" I do feel more sympathetic towards Hal this time around, but I still don't really like him. Given the choice, I'd much rather been in a room with Gately, Prince Valiant haircut and menthol cigarettes and all, than with Hal and his smokeless tobacco. (The same does not go for D.F.W., natch.) What does everyone else think?

3. One of my favorite things about IJ this time around: Both Hal and Gately keep their keys on the floor.

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Yeah, I like Gately, but I still find it strange in the sense that he seems dangerous to be around. At least one previous death (that I can recall offhand, not including DuPlessis) was attributed to a rage blackout during his drug use, but the fight with the Canadians happened when he was well sober, and yet he still seemed to go to a place where he was not in control of his rage.

I can't get away from my suspicion that Gately dies in the end, in part because his experience at the end of the novel echoes Lucien's experience of death. But also (repeating from another thread) I don't think he ever meets Hal, but that Hal's memory has (by Year of Glad) been messed with the way the wraith/JOI is messing with Gately's head--unless we buy that Gately is somehow being shown the future. Perhaps what JOI is doing to Gately (perhaps later to Hal) is similar to the effect he created with the entertainment, implanting something as if it were memory. I might be missing some important evidence against this, and I like some of the interpretations having to do with how JOI and Hal (in Year of Glad) experience time; and, as with David Lynch movies, I'm probably trying to take an easy road by seeking some literal interpretation; but it seems kind of a neat twist on how we are led to expect, by the end of the novel, that meeting between Hal and Gately.


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Hal's obsession with secrecy makes it hard for me to bond with him. Even though he is a main character, he is something of a figurant. Don G. is a scary guy, but he is also being honest and actively trying to get better. He provides a moral center for the book and completely makes it work for me. I *love* The Darkness and Mario.


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