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	<title>Comments on: I Love Lucy</title>
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	<description>The vampire novel that sired them all</description>
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		<title>By: webslog</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>webslog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or is she kinda stupid and bitchy but just really, really hot?&quot;

Yes.  But you forgot rich.  Never, ever forget rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or is she kinda stupid and bitchy but just really, really hot?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  But you forgot rich.  Never, ever forget rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my take: Lucy is beautiful, patently wealthy, and cultured (for the time, anyway--she&#039;s been to school, and she exhibits some ditziness--perhaps only in contrast to clever Mina, who comes from a low station (she&#039;s an orphan) but is resourceful and ambitious--but no signs of &quot;lowness&quot;.) She&#039;s the catch of the century. And regardless of her own wishes,  Arthur should be the only appropriate choice. 

I&#039;m not clear as to whether the text makes it explicit that Lucy is highborn as opposed to nouveau riche. Would the fact that her family home is in London proper, rather than on some country manor, indicate the latter? If she&#039;s highborn and rich, then it&#039;s surprising that she wasn&#039;t betrothed in childhood. And it speaks well of her nature that she didn&#039;t laugh Dr Seward (doctoring being a &quot;trade&quot;) and the uncivilised American right out of her frilly bedroom.  

I think the scenario that makes the most sense is that the Westenra family is nouveau riche and Arthur is penniless aristocrat--genteel poverty was common. For an impoverished aristocrat, Lucy, even if she was a parvenue, is a dream come true--beautiful and mannered enough to pass in society, and crucially, complete with expectations (her dying mother&#039;s only other relations are a distant branch of the family). The parents, for their part, should have been deliriously happy about the match--the Westenras had money but dreamt of status, and the Holmwoods had status but needed cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my take: Lucy is beautiful, patently wealthy, and cultured (for the time, anyway&#8211;she&#8217;s been to school, and she exhibits some ditziness&#8211;perhaps only in contrast to clever Mina, who comes from a low station (she&#8217;s an orphan) but is resourceful and ambitious&#8211;but no signs of &#8220;lowness&#8221;.) She&#8217;s the catch of the century. And regardless of her own wishes,  Arthur should be the only appropriate choice. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not clear as to whether the text makes it explicit that Lucy is highborn as opposed to nouveau riche. Would the fact that her family home is in London proper, rather than on some country manor, indicate the latter? If she&#8217;s highborn and rich, then it&#8217;s surprising that she wasn&#8217;t betrothed in childhood. And it speaks well of her nature that she didn&#8217;t laugh Dr Seward (doctoring being a &#8220;trade&#8221;) and the uncivilised American right out of her frilly bedroom.  </p>
<p>I think the scenario that makes the most sense is that the Westenra family is nouveau riche and Arthur is penniless aristocrat&#8211;genteel poverty was common. For an impoverished aristocrat, Lucy, even if she was a parvenue, is a dream come true&#8211;beautiful and mannered enough to pass in society, and crucially, complete with expectations (her dying mother&#8217;s only other relations are a distant branch of the family). The parents, for their part, should have been deliriously happy about the match&#8211;the Westenras had money but dreamt of status, and the Holmwoods had status but needed cash.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnn</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also:  Lucy is RICH, a catch in that era, even if she had been ugly.  The fact that she is beautiful and charming just makes her that much more appealing.  None of the men are necessarily monied; she gets her pick.  Notice that Mina worries at the beginning about Harker worrying that he doesn&#039;t have enough money to marry her.  Lucy, no worries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also:  Lucy is RICH, a catch in that era, even if she had been ugly.  The fact that she is beautiful and charming just makes her that much more appealing.  None of the men are necessarily monied; she gets her pick.  Notice that Mina worries at the beginning about Harker worrying that he doesn&#8217;t have enough money to marry her.  Lucy, no worries.</p>
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		<title>By: mjdemo</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>mjdemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, remember, Lucy was probably still a virgin at the time of her death / undeath.  So the sense of jealousy and betrayal that often accompanies break-ups today was not so intense.  It was a platonic relationship that Lucy ended with Quincy and Seward - she wasn&#039;t sleeping around.  Also this fact shows Dracula to be a kind of rapist, stealing the innocence of a young woman in her prime, making her commit unspeakable acts.  See my forum posts for more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, remember, Lucy was probably still a virgin at the time of her death / undeath.  So the sense of jealousy and betrayal that often accompanies break-ups today was not so intense.  It was a platonic relationship that Lucy ended with Quincy and Seward &#8211; she wasn&#8217;t sleeping around.  Also this fact shows Dracula to be a kind of rapist, stealing the innocence of a young woman in her prime, making her commit unspeakable acts.  See my forum posts for more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Harmon</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly you have forgotten your Horatio Alger. The men are typical heroic stereotypes in the pulp lit of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly you have forgotten your Horatio Alger. The men are typical heroic stereotypes in the pulp lit of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinfanning</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinfanning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strangest part to me was that Arthur was the least helpful of any of the dudes. He spent most of Lucy&#039;s convalescence somewhere offstage, but even Quincey prowls around the house at night, protecting Lucy from whatever. I think they are all secretly hoping to win her back. Except Van Helsing, who has always had a thing for Seward, but until now their love dared not speak its name on account of the teacher-student relationship, which in Victorian times was just beginning to be frowned upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strangest part to me was that Arthur was the least helpful of any of the dudes. He spent most of Lucy&#8217;s convalescence somewhere offstage, but even Quincey prowls around the house at night, protecting Lucy from whatever. I think they are all secretly hoping to win her back. Except Van Helsing, who has always had a thing for Seward, but until now their love dared not speak its name on account of the teacher-student relationship, which in Victorian times was just beginning to be frowned upon.</p>
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		<title>By: victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That may be the case, but it happened...
2004&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Van Helsing&lt;/i&gt; staring Hugh Jackman...and it had ALL the horror standards in it, Drac, Frankenstien, wearwolves...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338526/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be the case, but it happened&#8230;<br />
2004&#8217;s <i>Van Helsing</i> staring Hugh Jackman&#8230;and it had ALL the horror standards in it, Drac, Frankenstien, wearwolves&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338526/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338526/</a></p>
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		<title>By: chswimmer</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/dracula/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>chswimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh Jackman is waaaay to young to be Van Helsing.  I imagine him as Sean Connery (circa The Rock) but with a Netherlander accent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh Jackman is waaaay to young to be Van Helsing.  I imagine him as Sean Connery (circa The Rock) but with a Netherlander accent!</p>
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