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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/468/comment-page-1#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree...there&#039;s nothing in there about interactive media like this right here, and how it would change people&#039;s lives. I would have loved to see him address it as he did the videophony arc, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree&#8230;there&#8217;s nothing in there about interactive media like this right here, and how it would change people&#8217;s lives. I would have loved to see him address it as he did the videophony arc, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryn</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/468/comment-page-1#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m obsessing about Hal&#039;s saying that he believes &quot;with Hegel,that transcendence is absorption.&quot;  Ok, I&#039;m still behind the group in my reading having reached p. 109.  Not too bad.  At this point note 304 has been referred to twice and I&#039;ve just read it for the second time.  Struck is now attempting to &quot;absorb&quot; huge amounts of information for his termpaper in &quot;History of Canadian Unpleasantness.&quot;  This book is hilarious.  I don&#039;t even have a point in my comment here except that this amazing work of Wallace&#039;s keeps introducing a concept and then coming back around to the same concept over and over again.  Like someone else said this footnote is partly Wallace laughing at his own sometimes impossibly confusing prose style.  He writes about Hal transcending through absorbing, Struck trying to absorb the most lurid stuff he can find; meanwhile we are supposed to absorb (understand?) what Wallace is writing.  I love this book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m obsessing about Hal&#8217;s saying that he believes &#8220;with Hegel,that transcendence is absorption.&#8221;  Ok, I&#8217;m still behind the group in my reading having reached p. 109.  Not too bad.  At this point note 304 has been referred to twice and I&#8217;ve just read it for the second time.  Struck is now attempting to &#8220;absorb&#8221; huge amounts of information for his termpaper in &#8220;History of Canadian Unpleasantness.&#8221;  This book is hilarious.  I don&#8217;t even have a point in my comment here except that this amazing work of Wallace&#8217;s keeps introducing a concept and then coming back around to the same concept over and over again.  Like someone else said this footnote is partly Wallace laughing at his own sometimes impossibly confusing prose style.  He writes about Hal transcending through absorbing, Struck trying to absorb the most lurid stuff he can find; meanwhile we are supposed to absorb (understand?) what Wallace is writing.  I love this book.</p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/468/comment-page-1#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any book as large as IJ contains a promise of some sort from the author, that it is worth treking through all those many pages or else the author wouldn&#039;t have written them. Other large books I&#039;ve read such as War &amp; Peace and Les Miserables, have continued to gesticulate in my psyche years after I have read them and kept their promise in that respect. I suspect IJ will do the same.  Every reader&#039;s &quot;sunset&quot; will be different and change through the years. IJ is a bomb that will explode differently in every readers head and the shrapnel will shift in the cranium for years to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any book as large as IJ contains a promise of some sort from the author, that it is worth treking through all those many pages or else the author wouldn&#8217;t have written them. Other large books I&#8217;ve read such as War &amp; Peace and Les Miserables, have continued to gesticulate in my psyche years after I have read them and kept their promise in that respect. I suspect IJ will do the same.  Every reader&#8217;s &#8220;sunset&#8221; will be different and change through the years. IJ is a bomb that will explode differently in every readers head and the shrapnel will shift in the cranium for years to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/468/comment-page-1#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Wallace&#039;s essays (including &quot;Consider the Lobster&quot;) that first turned me onto his writing. I am (and usually am) slower to gravitate to the fiction side of things.

Having said that, I&#039;m at page 227 and determined not to turn back, despite some of the challenges of the text. However, there is so much great stuff juxtaposed with the difficult that I&#039;m compelled forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Wallace&#8217;s essays (including &#8220;Consider the Lobster&#8221;) that first turned me onto his writing. I am (and usually am) slower to gravitate to the fiction side of things.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;m at page 227 and determined not to turn back, despite some of the challenges of the text. However, there is so much great stuff juxtaposed with the difficult that I&#8217;m compelled forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TG AND RE: DFW&#039;S KEPT PROMISE

I recently read &quot;The Empty Plenum,&quot; DFW&#039;s review of /Wittgenstein&#039;s Mistress/ (from the late-80s or early-90s), and something he wrote there strikes me as pertinent here. The quote: &quot;Rarely is our uncritical inheritance of early Wittgensteinian and Logical Positivist models so obvious as in our academic and aesthetic preference that successful fiction encloses rather than opens up, organizes facts rather than undermines them, diagnoses rather than genuflects&quot; (pg. 234).

DFW&#039;s stuff that I&#039;ve read so far leads me to believe that he (as writer) embraced the idea that successful fiction should open up rather than constrict (as opposed to, say, narratives that end with an explanation and a wrap-up), undermine fact rather than organize it, and genuflect rather than diagnose. /IJ/&#039;s ending definitely sends the reader back to the beginning to look for clues, opens up the narrative rather than closes it, etc. Either that, or the ending makes you scream and scream and search madly for some small and defenseless creature to kick ... because that&#039;s kind of person who doesn&#039;t go back to the beginning and read again: a cowardly animal-abuser.

Again, I&#039;m not sure what all the foregoing means (i.e., haven&#039;t more than the merest shadow of the hell of an idea what early-Wittgenstein and Logical Positivist models even are), but it does seem germane to the question of what kind of implicit, writerly promise DFW is making with /IJ/&#039;s first 10 pages.

That is, is DFW promising to tell us what &#039;happens&#039; to Hal? In my opinion, no, because I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the kind of book he set out to write.

Rather, I think DFW&#039;s promise to the reader is two-fold: First, there&#039;s everything Kevin wrote about; i.e., the promise of excellent, well-crafted, entertaining, smart prose. Second, there&#039;s the promise that the question asked of Hal at the end of the first 10 pages -- &quot;So, yo, man, what&#039;s your story?&quot; -- will be answered in the story that follows.

In my opinion, then, myself falling lock-step into early-Wittgensteinian and Logical Positivist models of rhetoric and wrapping up this late-stage, little comment, DFW definitely keeps his latter fold of the two-fold promise in that (it seems to me, more and more) Hal is /IJ/&#039;s narrator and the book in our hands is &quot;his story&quot; -- as promised.

Prove it? I&#039;d rather just make the bald assertion. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TG AND RE: DFW&#8217;S KEPT PROMISE</p>
<p>I recently read &#8220;The Empty Plenum,&#8221; DFW&#8217;s review of /Wittgenstein&#8217;s Mistress/ (from the late-80s or early-90s), and something he wrote there strikes me as pertinent here. The quote: &#8220;Rarely is our uncritical inheritance of early Wittgensteinian and Logical Positivist models so obvious as in our academic and aesthetic preference that successful fiction encloses rather than opens up, organizes facts rather than undermines them, diagnoses rather than genuflects&#8221; (pg. 234).</p>
<p>DFW&#8217;s stuff that I&#8217;ve read so far leads me to believe that he (as writer) embraced the idea that successful fiction should open up rather than constrict (as opposed to, say, narratives that end with an explanation and a wrap-up), undermine fact rather than organize it, and genuflect rather than diagnose. /IJ/&#8217;s ending definitely sends the reader back to the beginning to look for clues, opens up the narrative rather than closes it, etc. Either that, or the ending makes you scream and scream and search madly for some small and defenseless creature to kick &#8230; because that&#8217;s kind of person who doesn&#8217;t go back to the beginning and read again: a cowardly animal-abuser.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not sure what all the foregoing means (i.e., haven&#8217;t more than the merest shadow of the hell of an idea what early-Wittgenstein and Logical Positivist models even are), but it does seem germane to the question of what kind of implicit, writerly promise DFW is making with /IJ/&#8217;s first 10 pages.</p>
<p>That is, is DFW promising to tell us what &#8216;happens&#8217; to Hal? In my opinion, no, because I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the kind of book he set out to write.</p>
<p>Rather, I think DFW&#8217;s promise to the reader is two-fold: First, there&#8217;s everything Kevin wrote about; i.e., the promise of excellent, well-crafted, entertaining, smart prose. Second, there&#8217;s the promise that the question asked of Hal at the end of the first 10 pages &#8212; &#8220;So, yo, man, what&#8217;s your story?&#8221; &#8212; will be answered in the story that follows.</p>
<p>In my opinion, then, myself falling lock-step into early-Wittgensteinian and Logical Positivist models of rhetoric and wrapping up this late-stage, little comment, DFW definitely keeps his latter fold of the two-fold promise in that (it seems to me, more and more) Hal is /IJ/&#8217;s narrator and the book in our hands is &#8220;his story&#8221; &#8212; as promised.</p>
<p>Prove it? I&#8217;d rather just make the bald assertion. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually didn&#039;t very much like the first 10 pages. I didn&#039;t really start enjoying the book until Erdedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually didn&#8217;t very much like the first 10 pages. I didn&#8217;t really start enjoying the book until Erdedy.</p>
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		<title>By: IJ quote of the day 10 &#171; Naptime Writing</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJ quote of the day 10 &#171; Naptime Writing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bonus word of the day from Infinite Summer: Infsumalians. Lovely,  Kevin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bonus word of the day from Infinite Summer: Infsumalians. Lovely,  Kevin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/468/comment-page-1#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jimmydare

I just wanted to give you some support for a tough position.  I finished reading IJ a few months back after bringing it on a beach vacation and then needing another few weeks to finish it.  My wife had seen me working through it all that time and when I announced that I was done, she asked, &quot;Was it worth it?&quot;

I responded, &quot;I&#039;m not sure.&quot;

I could say with some authority that I had just read an epic work of the most talented writer of his generation and that it was one of a handful of the best pieces of fiction I had ever read.  I could say for certain that I enjoyed reading it immensely.  But I couldn&#039;t say for certain that it all was worth the hours of effort I put into it.  

Ultimately IJ isn&#039;t about satisfaction.  It&#039;s deep and funny and thought-provoking and wonderfully complex.  But if IJ were a meal, it would be the kind that makes you hungrier the more you eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jimmydare</p>
<p>I just wanted to give you some support for a tough position.  I finished reading IJ a few months back after bringing it on a beach vacation and then needing another few weeks to finish it.  My wife had seen me working through it all that time and when I announced that I was done, she asked, &#8220;Was it worth it?&#8221;</p>
<p>I responded, &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could say with some authority that I had just read an epic work of the most talented writer of his generation and that it was one of a handful of the best pieces of fiction I had ever read.  I could say for certain that I enjoyed reading it immensely.  But I couldn&#8217;t say for certain that it all was worth the hours of effort I put into it.  </p>
<p>Ultimately IJ isn&#8217;t about satisfaction.  It&#8217;s deep and funny and thought-provoking and wonderfully complex.  But if IJ were a meal, it would be the kind that makes you hungrier the more you eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/468/comment-page-1#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I,ve read 240 pages so far. He is keeping his promise...at least to me. Reading some of it was like swimming in a slushy. But, much of the text is so good it stops me in my tracks. Pages 200 to around 205 are perfect. So far this has been time well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I,ve read 240 pages so far. He is keeping his promise&#8230;at least to me. Reading some of it was like swimming in a slushy. But, much of the text is so good it stops me in my tracks. Pages 200 to around 205 are perfect. So far this has been time well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: EGF</title>
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		<dc:creator>EGF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a decent A Clockwork Orange reference on page 118.  Anyone else catch that?  It&#039;s minimal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a decent A Clockwork Orange reference on page 118.  Anyone else catch that?  It&#8217;s minimal.</p>
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