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		<title>By: CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, wouldn&#8217;t have read it without this group, and the site and its offshoots and links enriched my reading experience immeasurably.
As for the &#8220;don&#8217;t pull more than your weight&#8221; I think it&#8217;s not just a running reference, but an underlying theme&#8211;what is addiction and desire but the grasping for moremoremore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, wouldn&#8217;t have read it without this group, and the site and its offshoots and links enriched my reading experience immeasurably.<br />
As for the &#8220;don&#8217;t pull more than your weight&#8221; I think it&#8217;s not just a running reference, but an underlying theme&#8211;what is addiction and desire but the grasping for moremoremore?</p>
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		<title>By: Girl Detective</title>
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		<dc:creator>Girl Detective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, wouldn&#039;t have read it without this group, and the site and its offshoots and links enriched my reading experience immeasurably.

As for the &quot;don&#039;t pull more than your weight&quot; I think it&#039;s not just a running reference, but an underlying theme--what is addiction and desire but the grasping for moremoremore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, wouldn&#8217;t have read it without this group, and the site and its offshoots and links enriched my reading experience immeasurably.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;don&#8217;t pull more than your weight&#8221; I think it&#8217;s not just a running reference, but an underlying theme&#8211;what is addiction and desire but the grasping for moremoremore?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palmer</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1922/comment-page-1#comment-4366</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned my lesson about trying to talk to someone about &quot;Infinite Jest&quot; on the el in Chicago this morning.  I looked up from my seat to see a guy I&#039;ve noticed most of the summer reading the book with two bookmarks.  One of the best tips from this site so thank you!  I kind of poked him on my way out of the train and said &quot;you&#039;re almost done&quot; and I am hoping he could not hear me with his headphones on and then I continued, with my foot in my mouth, to point at the book and say &quot;it&#039;s really good isn&#039;t it?&quot;.  He just stared.  Yikes - I feel like a fool.  But I really enjoyed the book and I could not have done it without encouragement from this project.  So thank you!  And if the reader from the Brown Line sees this I&#039;m sorry to have bothered you this morning.  I guess I&#039;m now an overzealous IJ fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned my lesson about trying to talk to someone about &#8220;Infinite Jest&#8221; on the el in Chicago this morning.  I looked up from my seat to see a guy I&#8217;ve noticed most of the summer reading the book with two bookmarks.  One of the best tips from this site so thank you!  I kind of poked him on my way out of the train and said &#8220;you&#8217;re almost done&#8221; and I am hoping he could not hear me with his headphones on and then I continued, with my foot in my mouth, to point at the book and say &#8220;it&#8217;s really good isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;.  He just stared.  Yikes &#8211; I feel like a fool.  But I really enjoyed the book and I could not have done it without encouragement from this project.  So thank you!  And if the reader from the Brown Line sees this I&#8217;m sorry to have bothered you this morning.  I guess I&#8217;m now an overzealous IJ fan.</p>
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		<title>By: alli</title>
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		<dc:creator>alli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i bought Against the Day in an airport, knowing nothing about Pynchon, on the strength of the blurb on the back cover - but haven&#039;t tackled it.  Maybe that one&#039;s next for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i bought Against the Day in an airport, knowing nothing about Pynchon, on the strength of the blurb on the back cover &#8211; but haven&#8217;t tackled it.  Maybe that one&#8217;s next for me!</p>
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		<title>By: tom collins</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1922/comment-page-1#comment-4364</link>
		<dc:creator>tom collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the past few days, I&#039;ve been trying to put together a recap of this summer&#039;s experiene for &#039;the French reading public.&#039;  The only thing I can hope for is that this hugely successful, and totally uncontrollable (impossible to synthesize) experience help the people over here to go on with their translations.  
A word about TIME.  Not only does IJ require quite some time before starting to click, so too did IS require time before beginning to register in terms of value and uniqueness.  Everyone who has participated in this &#039;event&#039; cannot help but appreciate the roundtable effect that began well before the end of the experience, not only here but in the satellite area where a whole lotta of serious and funny reading took place.

The most important item for me is something that may appear naive for you all: the fact that this will all remain for future use and abuse.  I&#039;m sure (i.e., I would bet on it) that the &#039;archives&#039; of IS are as infinite as IJ itself.  So many thanks to those who had the wild conceit of such an undertaking, for the moment totally unheard of in France, where such undertakings would have necessarily taken on the heavy and despairingly exclusive guise of university research.  (No criticism intended of university research here)  I feel like saying, singing even: &quot;Only in America, land of opportunity&quot; ... but I&#039;ll sign off before that!
Thanks ever so much for this golden opportunity.  As soon as my &#039;paper&#039; for the French press is ready, I&#039;ll send it along, along with a bad translation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past few days, I&#8217;ve been trying to put together a recap of this summer&#8217;s experiene for &#8216;the French reading public.&#8217;  The only thing I can hope for is that this hugely successful, and totally uncontrollable (impossible to synthesize) experience help the people over here to go on with their translations.<br />
A word about TIME.  Not only does IJ require quite some time before starting to click, so too did IS require time before beginning to register in terms of value and uniqueness.  Everyone who has participated in this &#8216;event&#8217; cannot help but appreciate the roundtable effect that began well before the end of the experience, not only here but in the satellite area where a whole lotta of serious and funny reading took place.</p>
<p>The most important item for me is something that may appear naive for you all: the fact that this will all remain for future use and abuse.  I&#8217;m sure (i.e., I would bet on it) that the &#8216;archives&#8217; of IS are as infinite as IJ itself.  So many thanks to those who had the wild conceit of such an undertaking, for the moment totally unheard of in France, where such undertakings would have necessarily taken on the heavy and despairingly exclusive guise of university research.  (No criticism intended of university research here)  I feel like saying, singing even: &#8220;Only in America, land of opportunity&#8221; &#8230; but I&#8217;ll sign off before that!<br />
Thanks ever so much for this golden opportunity.  As soon as my &#8216;paper&#8217; for the French press is ready, I&#8217;ll send it along, along with a bad translation.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Chatain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Chatain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avery&#039;s &quot;paint a picture of an entire world&quot; is perfect.  When I got to the end, I just wanted more and couldn&#039;t stop thinking about various scenes, characters, even footnotes -- for example, last night I reread the Hal/Orin phone conversations.  Once &quot;inside&quot; (maybe past the Clenette section, p. 37), nothing seems superfluous or beside the point.

This is also what made Pynchon&#039;s &quot;Against the Day&quot; work for me a couple of years ago, and although most critics wished it had been pruned way back (one wrote that, had the novel concentrated on its out-West revenge plot, it would have been &quot;the book of the year&quot;), Pynchon had so much great stuff going on at so many levels that less would just have been less.  That said, I think IJ is even better -- and I&#039;m looking forward to 2666, which looks at first glance like the same kind of book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avery&#8217;s &#8220;paint a picture of an entire world&#8221; is perfect.  When I got to the end, I just wanted more and couldn&#8217;t stop thinking about various scenes, characters, even footnotes &#8212; for example, last night I reread the Hal/Orin phone conversations.  Once &#8220;inside&#8221; (maybe past the Clenette section, p. 37), nothing seems superfluous or beside the point.</p>
<p>This is also what made Pynchon&#8217;s &#8220;Against the Day&#8221; work for me a couple of years ago, and although most critics wished it had been pruned way back (one wrote that, had the novel concentrated on its out-West revenge plot, it would have been &#8220;the book of the year&#8221;), Pynchon had so much great stuff going on at so many levels that less would just have been less.  That said, I think IJ is even better &#8212; and I&#8217;m looking forward to 2666, which looks at first glance like the same kind of book.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Avery Edison: I’m starting to understand that even if one section doesn’t give us any new information or make sense as a part of the story, it’s still important because it builds IJ’s tone. Infinite Jest seems to be less about a series of events that show what happened to a bunch of people, and more about a collection of vignettes that paint a picture of an entire world. Everything is necessary because even the tiniest details inform this portrait of an entire alternate universe.&quot;

Yes.  Yesyesyesyesyesyes.  That&#039;s it.  Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Avery Edison: I’m starting to understand that even if one section doesn’t give us any new information or make sense as a part of the story, it’s still important because it builds IJ’s tone. Infinite Jest seems to be less about a series of events that show what happened to a bunch of people, and more about a collection of vignettes that paint a picture of an entire world. Everything is necessary because even the tiniest details inform this portrait of an entire alternate universe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Yesyesyesyesyesyes.  That&#8217;s it.  Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Daryl.

&quot;Let the figurants speak.&quot; Right, thank you. It reminds you that everyone has a story. Mikey, my God -- I wish there was a book just about the Pemulis family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Daryl.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let the figurants speak.&#8221; Right, thank you. It reminds you that everyone has a story. Mikey, my God &#8212; I wish there was a book just about the Pemulis family.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I&#039;m right there with you w/r/t how much the Infinite Summer project enriched my reading of IJ (and I was already a fan who had read it a few times before).

Eden, my wife sometimes referred to herself this summer as an #infsum widow. She&#039;s glad this thing is over too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I&#8217;m right there with you w/r/t how much the Infinite Summer project enriched my reading of IJ (and I was already a fan who had read it a few times before).</p>
<p>Eden, my wife sometimes referred to herself this summer as an #infsum widow. She&#8217;s glad this thing is over too.</p>
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		<title>By: Doubtful Geste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doubtful Geste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An anecdote about &quot;building the tone&quot;/&quot;mountains behind the Mona Lisa&quot;:  In the first part of the book, you get a wealth of character sketches of characters (Erdedy, Kate Gompert, Dooney, Pemulis selling urine, etc) in forms ranging from omniscient narration to email forward (or, rather, appropriated/found cultural object from the &quot;real world&quot;?), all of which, I remember, sort of put me on alert to see why they were there in the book, empathetically linked with them in a way I usually would not be to relatively minor characters (or even figurants!).  The result was that even characters who turn out to be really truly in the background of the main story (Erdedy) or ultimately serve a limited plot purpose (Clenette transporting the cartridges from ETA to Ennet) remain impressively clear to me and worthy of (as A.A. would put it) Identifying with.

Having read the book, it is hard to remember that Gately is initially introduced as just one of these character sketches (Even though I had been to a reading, right about when (I think actally before) the novel came out where DFW read the Gately burglary scene, I did not, on my first read, realize that he was going to be so central to the novel my first time through.)  Because of that first chapter and its first person narration, you sure as heck expect Hal to be central*  The way the book encourages you to remain connected to the quasi-figurants of Ennet, one of whom comes to dominate the emotional experience of the book (um, I mean Gately, not Lenz) is amazing to me not only as a practical narrative device but as a very affecting &quot;This is Water&quot; attempt not to let us forget that Gately and Hal are only two of a huge number of people working their way through their own challenges.**  Imagine the experience of the climactic fight and its aftermath if you lacked the early character sketches of many of the ETA residents, or had known from page 3 (or even page 203) that Gately was such a central character.***

*And, through ETA, you even have a bit of a structure to assume that his relation to other students there will matter (For example, the main introduction/&quot;character sketch&quot; scene of his peers is the Big Buddy section that inter-relates Pemulis, Troeltsch, etc to each other.  Even when we finally get the equivalent at Ennet House, through the gripe sessions to Gately or the &quot;Gately on the couch&quot; scene, things remain largely anonymous or difficult to make connections between.)

**Which commenters on the forum have pointed out probably explains why DFW insists on giving us interludes with &quot;Mikey&quot; or Barry Loach even in the very latest parts of the Novel, giving tangible, &quot;Identifiable&quot; form to the wraith&#039;s monologic theories about letting the figurants speak .

***Yes, I know Gately is mentioned in Hal&#039;s first chapter, but it seems pretty clear from the responses I&#039;ve seen to that chapter that this doesn&#039;t single him out too obviously for most readers in the early going of the novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An anecdote about &#8220;building the tone&#8221;/&#8221;mountains behind the Mona Lisa&#8221;:  In the first part of the book, you get a wealth of character sketches of characters (Erdedy, Kate Gompert, Dooney, Pemulis selling urine, etc) in forms ranging from omniscient narration to email forward (or, rather, appropriated/found cultural object from the &#8220;real world&#8221;?), all of which, I remember, sort of put me on alert to see why they were there in the book, empathetically linked with them in a way I usually would not be to relatively minor characters (or even figurants!).  The result was that even characters who turn out to be really truly in the background of the main story (Erdedy) or ultimately serve a limited plot purpose (Clenette transporting the cartridges from ETA to Ennet) remain impressively clear to me and worthy of (as A.A. would put it) Identifying with.</p>
<p>Having read the book, it is hard to remember that Gately is initially introduced as just one of these character sketches (Even though I had been to a reading, right about when (I think actally before) the novel came out where DFW read the Gately burglary scene, I did not, on my first read, realize that he was going to be so central to the novel my first time through.)  Because of that first chapter and its first person narration, you sure as heck expect Hal to be central*  The way the book encourages you to remain connected to the quasi-figurants of Ennet, one of whom comes to dominate the emotional experience of the book (um, I mean Gately, not Lenz) is amazing to me not only as a practical narrative device but as a very affecting &#8220;This is Water&#8221; attempt not to let us forget that Gately and Hal are only two of a huge number of people working their way through their own challenges.**  Imagine the experience of the climactic fight and its aftermath if you lacked the early character sketches of many of the ETA residents, or had known from page 3 (or even page 203) that Gately was such a central character.***</p>
<p>*And, through ETA, you even have a bit of a structure to assume that his relation to other students there will matter (For example, the main introduction/&#8221;character sketch&#8221; scene of his peers is the Big Buddy section that inter-relates Pemulis, Troeltsch, etc to each other.  Even when we finally get the equivalent at Ennet House, through the gripe sessions to Gately or the &#8220;Gately on the couch&#8221; scene, things remain largely anonymous or difficult to make connections between.)</p>
<p>**Which commenters on the forum have pointed out probably explains why DFW insists on giving us interludes with &#8220;Mikey&#8221; or Barry Loach even in the very latest parts of the Novel, giving tangible, &#8220;Identifiable&#8221; form to the wraith&#8217;s monologic theories about letting the figurants speak .</p>
<p>***Yes, I know Gately is mentioned in Hal&#8217;s first chapter, but it seems pretty clear from the responses I&#8217;ve seen to that chapter that this doesn&#8217;t single him out too obviously for most readers in the early going of the novel.</p>
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