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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1478/comment-page-1#comment-3068</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are other things going on with Hal, but you have to kind of link them as you read - his toothache, his toddler mold ingestion, read page 33 which introduces the medical attache and his particular specialty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other things going on with Hal, but you have to kind of link them as you read &#8211; his toothache, his toddler mold ingestion, read page 33 which introduces the medical attache and his particular specialty.</p>
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		<title>By: itzadrag</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1478/comment-page-1#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>itzadrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>w/r/t nuclear (ha) family
We&#039;ve discussed Orin &amp; Hal in relation to Avril @ http://infinitetasks.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/orins-fall/. and also @ http://infinitetasks.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/holy-schtitt/. I recommend IT&#039;s essays &amp; comments on this subject. 

http://repatblues.blogspot.com/search/label/infinite%20jest has an essay I can&#039;t recommend too much: More Maternal Fantods; Or the Dangers of Reading-While-Female. Is Avril eating her kids alive, or is this good-enough mothering?

And the comment (above thread) about ANNUL snapped my head around. I missed the annul in annulation completely! 

The psychologically wrenching scene aka chapter 16 of &quot;The Awakening of My Interest In Annular Systems&quot; arises with JOI in his parent&#039;s hillside house, in a sky-blue &amp; white room which picture-window overlooks: nothing but bright sky. After wrangling various parental neuroses, dependencies, enablings, and one massive bed, JOI retreats upstairs, to rise above his family ritual drama. It is there, annulling the parental pressure (as it were), that he intellectualizes his way into a fascination with annular systems. aka, How I became a successful headcase, part one. Stay tuned kids, for &quot;How JOI becomes the headcase Master&quot;– in the next exciting episode. 

Yes, the generations are inhabited by ghosts of the past. IJ main characters&#039; stories reflect back into the past, a trick with mirrors; the past lives through them, distortions and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>w/r/t nuclear (ha) family<br />
We&#8217;ve discussed Orin &amp; Hal in relation to Avril @ <a href="http://infinitetasks.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/orins-fall/" rel="nofollow">http://infinitetasks.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/orins-fall/</a>. and also @ <a href="http://infinitetasks.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/holy-schtitt/" rel="nofollow">http://infinitetasks.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/holy-schtitt/</a>. I recommend IT&#8217;s essays &amp; comments on this subject. </p>
<p><a href="http://repatblues.blogspot.com/search/label/infinite%20jest" rel="nofollow">http://repatblues.blogspot.com/search/label/infinite%20jest</a> has an essay I can&#8217;t recommend too much: More Maternal Fantods; Or the Dangers of Reading-While-Female. Is Avril eating her kids alive, or is this good-enough mothering?</p>
<p>And the comment (above thread) about ANNUL snapped my head around. I missed the annul in annulation completely! </p>
<p>The psychologically wrenching scene aka chapter 16 of &#8220;The Awakening of My Interest In Annular Systems&#8221; arises with JOI in his parent&#8217;s hillside house, in a sky-blue &amp; white room which picture-window overlooks: nothing but bright sky. After wrangling various parental neuroses, dependencies, enablings, and one massive bed, JOI retreats upstairs, to rise above his family ritual drama. It is there, annulling the parental pressure (as it were), that he intellectualizes his way into a fascination with annular systems. aka, How I became a successful headcase, part one. Stay tuned kids, for &#8220;How JOI becomes the headcase Master&#8221;– in the next exciting episode. </p>
<p>Yes, the generations are inhabited by ghosts of the past. IJ main characters&#8217; stories reflect back into the past, a trick with mirrors; the past lives through them, distortions and all.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1478/comment-page-1#comment-3061</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, but they&#039;re planning to DMZ themselves in the late November  YDAU; the book opens in November during the Year of Glad. So, a long strange trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, but they&#8217;re planning to DMZ themselves in the late November  YDAU; the book opens in November during the Year of Glad. So, a long strange trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia M</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1478/comment-page-1#comment-3059</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephanie,

yes: I was jumping w/ excitement when the line about the fish swimming in the water (and how the old fish says &#039;how&#039;s the water, boys?&#039; and the young fish are like &#039;what&#039;s water?&#039;) came up. --I read the Kenyon speech *before* IJ. It was great to see that come up again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephanie,</p>
<p>yes: I was jumping w/ excitement when the line about the fish swimming in the water (and how the old fish says &#8216;how&#8217;s the water, boys?&#8217; and the young fish are like &#8216;what&#8217;s water?&#8217;) came up. &#8211;I read the Kenyon speech *before* IJ. It was great to see that come up again.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia M</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1478/comment-page-1#comment-3058</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ps. I just yesterday misread the word &#039;creativity&#039; as &#039;concavity&#039;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps. I just yesterday misread the word &#8216;creativity&#8217; as &#8216;concavity&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia M</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1478/comment-page-1#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubtful Geste!

Thank you for the short version. I&#039;m like &#039;headsmack!&#039; to what you just wrote about the lenses. Wow. Thanks!</description>
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<p>Thank you for the short version. I&#8217;m like &#8216;headsmack!&#8217; to what you just wrote about the lenses. Wow. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOI accepts Mario (even with the knowledge that he may not be his son) and seems to spend more time with him than his other sons. He even passes his lenses, cameras etc on to him. I think there is a genuine connection between them that doesn&#039;t seem to abuse or distort the parent/child relationship (mostly because with Mario you can&#039;t). 

Contrast that with the way C.T. thinks of Mario - referring to him as It or the &quot;thing it&#039;s not entirely impossible he may have fathered asleep up next to the sound system with its claws on its chest...&quot; or &quot;not eager to wake it and have to interface with it and have it look up at him with a terrible calm and accepting knowledge it&#039;s quite possible is nothing but Tavis&#039;s imagination (451).&quot; I think DFW even writes that C.T. has a hard time even being in the same room as Mario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOI accepts Mario (even with the knowledge that he may not be his son) and seems to spend more time with him than his other sons. He even passes his lenses, cameras etc on to him. I think there is a genuine connection between them that doesn&#8217;t seem to abuse or distort the parent/child relationship (mostly because with Mario you can&#8217;t). </p>
<p>Contrast that with the way C.T. thinks of Mario &#8211; referring to him as It or the &#8220;thing it&#8217;s not entirely impossible he may have fathered asleep up next to the sound system with its claws on its chest&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;not eager to wake it and have to interface with it and have it look up at him with a terrible calm and accepting knowledge it&#8217;s quite possible is nothing but Tavis&#8217;s imagination (451).&#8221; I think DFW even writes that C.T. has a hard time even being in the same room as Mario.</p>
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		<title>By: benny</title>
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		<dc:creator>benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;m spoiling anything here, because I&#039;m pretty sure the reason for Hal&#039;s condition in the opening of the book is hinted at fairly early on. 

It seems like he is still under the influence of the DMZ that Pemulis scores from the Antitoi brothers and which Pemulis, Hal, and Axford all decide to ingest before the Whataburger Invitational, in which Hal is competing in the opening of the book.

But, then again, I could be completely wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m spoiling anything here, because I&#8217;m pretty sure the reason for Hal&#8217;s condition in the opening of the book is hinted at fairly early on. </p>
<p>It seems like he is still under the influence of the DMZ that Pemulis scores from the Antitoi brothers and which Pemulis, Hal, and Axford all decide to ingest before the Whataburger Invitational, in which Hal is competing in the opening of the book.</p>
<p>But, then again, I could be completely wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: itzadrag</title>
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		<dc:creator>itzadrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, nice catch. The acid rain treatment, but improbably fecund. Deformed substance. Hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, nice catch. The acid rain treatment, but improbably fecund. Deformed substance. Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have the Hollywood connections necessary to find out if Dutch&#039;s killing of a cat a few years back on The Shield was any sort of nod to Lenz in IJ ?</description>
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