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		<title>By: David Foster Wallace–[Week 10] Infinite Jest (1996) &#171; I Just Read About That&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster Wallace–[Week 10] Infinite Jest (1996) &#171; I Just Read About That&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] he replies by spitting his disgusting Kodiak chew into a wastebasket very slowly.  Hal is being kind of a dick but he does have some reasons (pot withdrawal, almost getting beaten on the court)  And he did [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miker</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1370/comment-page-1#comment-2879</link>
		<dc:creator>Miker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one aspect of the shifts in tone has to do with keeping the story amusing enough to hold people&#039;s interest, because without this the tragedy of the whole business would become rather overwhelming.  And by making some aspects of the book cartoonish, it gives DFW great license-- he has made it clear that the story need not be judged on the basis of realism or plausibility.

But I think I another thing to note is that the closer one gets to the heart of the action, the central characters like Hal and Gately, the less cartoonishly they are portrayed.  I think this ties in with Wallace&#039;s perception that our experience of others is by nature cartoonish, that we can never identify with them and their history as strongly as we do our own.  It reminds me of &quot;lords of our little skull-sized kingdoms&quot; line in the Kenyon College graduation address.  Also of the old &quot;tragedy is when I stub my little toe; comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die&quot; line.  I am also reminded of the figurants thing a little while on.

And I suspect this ties in with the endnotes.  It is my impression that one of Wallace&#039;s projects in the book was to &quot;break down the fourth wall.&quot;  I see the endnotes as one tool towards that end; they mirror the digressiveness of thought.  I think they make you aware of the author&#039;s voice in your head, but in such a way that it sounds like your own thoughts.

Empathy is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one aspect of the shifts in tone has to do with keeping the story amusing enough to hold people&#8217;s interest, because without this the tragedy of the whole business would become rather overwhelming.  And by making some aspects of the book cartoonish, it gives DFW great license&#8211; he has made it clear that the story need not be judged on the basis of realism or plausibility.</p>
<p>But I think I another thing to note is that the closer one gets to the heart of the action, the central characters like Hal and Gately, the less cartoonishly they are portrayed.  I think this ties in with Wallace&#8217;s perception that our experience of others is by nature cartoonish, that we can never identify with them and their history as strongly as we do our own.  It reminds me of &#8220;lords of our little skull-sized kingdoms&#8221; line in the Kenyon College graduation address.  Also of the old &#8220;tragedy is when I stub my little toe; comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die&#8221; line.  I am also reminded of the figurants thing a little while on.</p>
<p>And I suspect this ties in with the endnotes.  It is my impression that one of Wallace&#8217;s projects in the book was to &#8220;break down the fourth wall.&#8221;  I see the endnotes as one tool towards that end; they mirror the digressiveness of thought.  I think they make you aware of the author&#8217;s voice in your head, but in such a way that it sounds like your own thoughts.</p>
<p>Empathy is important.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1370/comment-page-1#comment-2814</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It upsets me that I forgot to mention Bruce Green. I LOVE him!</description>
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		<title>By: Infinite Tasks</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1370/comment-page-1#comment-2811</link>
		<dc:creator>Infinite Tasks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutz to y&#039;all.  Lenz is a turd.</description>
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		<title>By: Joel Bass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Infinite Summer.

Okay, on tone:

To me, Infinite Jest is a tragic story written in the form of a comic novel. That is to say that the language, even during the most tragic scenes, remains funky, jargonish, playful. And, since it&#039;s a comic novel, there are going to be absurdities and cartoonishness riddling every chapter, no matter what else the chapters are about.

I&#039;d compare this to the experience of your funniest friend telling you about her most miserable year. No matter how many times you say, &quot;Oh no! Oh, that&#039;s terrible!&quot; while listening to her story, you&#039;ll still find yourself laughing out loud just because of the way the story is told. And sometimes you&#039;ll have to cover your mouth with your hand and say, &quot;I don&#039;t know why I&#039;m laughing, it&#039;s awful!&quot;

This brings me to the footnotes. The entire novel seems almost like it&#039;s told to you by someone, a real person who can&#039;t help exaggerating and joking through the awfulness of it, just as your funniest friend does. But and so then the footnotes add a second authorial voice, presenting the tales told in the book as actual facts backed up by a wider world of facts and documents. Which one is DFW? Both, of course, but this gave him a chance to be both your goofy-ass friend and the scholarly documentarian who&#039;s compiled this masterwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Infinite Summer.</p>
<p>Okay, on tone:</p>
<p>To me, Infinite Jest is a tragic story written in the form of a comic novel. That is to say that the language, even during the most tragic scenes, remains funky, jargonish, playful. And, since it&#8217;s a comic novel, there are going to be absurdities and cartoonishness riddling every chapter, no matter what else the chapters are about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d compare this to the experience of your funniest friend telling you about her most miserable year. No matter how many times you say, &#8220;Oh no! Oh, that&#8217;s terrible!&#8221; while listening to her story, you&#8217;ll still find yourself laughing out loud just because of the way the story is told. And sometimes you&#8217;ll have to cover your mouth with your hand and say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know why I&#8217;m laughing, it&#8217;s awful!&#8221;</p>
<p>This brings me to the footnotes. The entire novel seems almost like it&#8217;s told to you by someone, a real person who can&#8217;t help exaggerating and joking through the awfulness of it, just as your funniest friend does. But and so then the footnotes add a second authorial voice, presenting the tales told in the book as actual facts backed up by a wider world of facts and documents. Which one is DFW? Both, of course, but this gave him a chance to be both your goofy-ass friend and the scholarly documentarian who&#8217;s compiled this masterwork.</p>
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		<title>By: brian warden</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1370/comment-page-1#comment-2807</link>
		<dc:creator>brian warden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marathe is the one double/triple(?) crossing, not Steeply. Steeply is a U.S. agent, no ambiguity there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marathe is the one double/triple(?) crossing, not Steeply. Steeply is a U.S. agent, no ambiguity there.</p>
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		<title>By: brian warden</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1370/comment-page-1#comment-2806</link>
		<dc:creator>brian warden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the writing in this passage is incredible, part of which you quoted. Whether you agree w/ Gately or not, the way DFW describes the unfolding violent scene is remarkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the writing in this passage is incredible, part of which you quoted. Whether you agree w/ Gately or not, the way DFW describes the unfolding violent scene is remarkable.</p>
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		<title>By: brian warden</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian warden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too love Lenz, he&#039;s hilarious. The part where he&#039;s @ an AA meeting with 3(!) cigarettes going simultaneously is priceless.</description>
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		<title>By: benny</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1370/comment-page-1#comment-2800</link>
		<dc:creator>benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;relapse&quot; is the best way to describe what happens. His intentions are honorable at first, but the violence is so brutally over the top - he goes way beyond what&#039;s necessary to subdue these guys. It&#039;s like he loses himself in what he used to be. And it&#039;s no surprise, considering the banal descriptions of his day-to-day, referred to repeatedly as &quot;soul sucking,&quot; and also Lenz has been killing animals as a way to deal with his rage at his own Powerlessness, and meanwhile Gately has been letting it build up for at least a year - no wonder the explosion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;relapse&#8221; is the best way to describe what happens. His intentions are honorable at first, but the violence is so brutally over the top &#8211; he goes way beyond what&#8217;s necessary to subdue these guys. It&#8217;s like he loses himself in what he used to be. And it&#8217;s no surprise, considering the banal descriptions of his day-to-day, referred to repeatedly as &#8220;soul sucking,&#8221; and also Lenz has been killing animals as a way to deal with his rage at his own Powerlessness, and meanwhile Gately has been letting it build up for at least a year &#8211; no wonder the explosion.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up:

&quot;Having no choice now not to fight and things simplify radically, divisions collapse. Gately&#039;s just one part of something bigger he can&#039;t control... He says he&#039;s responsible for these people on these private grounds tonight and is part of this whether he wants to be or not, and can they talk this out because he doesn&#039;t want to fight them.&quot;

In my opinion, he smiled strangely and felt the warm surge of adrenaline because it was familiar behavior. Like he was relapsing and using drugs. But I think the reason he perpetrated this violence was changed - instead of for his own gain, as it always was in the past, this time, it was for someone else.

Then again, to play deil&#039;s advocate, I&#039;m not sure that those reasons justify his actions. But I think his intentions were different than in the past, and certainly different from Lenz&#039;s motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up:</p>
<p>&#8220;Having no choice now not to fight and things simplify radically, divisions collapse. Gately&#8217;s just one part of something bigger he can&#8217;t control&#8230; He says he&#8217;s responsible for these people on these private grounds tonight and is part of this whether he wants to be or not, and can they talk this out because he doesn&#8217;t want to fight them.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my opinion, he smiled strangely and felt the warm surge of adrenaline because it was familiar behavior. Like he was relapsing and using drugs. But I think the reason he perpetrated this violence was changed &#8211; instead of for his own gain, as it always was in the past, this time, it was for someone else.</p>
<p>Then again, to play deil&#8217;s advocate, I&#8217;m not sure that those reasons justify his actions. But I think his intentions were different than in the past, and certainly different from Lenz&#8217;s motives.</p>
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