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	<title>Comments on: Midsummer Roundtable, Part I</title>
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		<title>By: chris forster &#183; On Endnotes and Infinite Jest</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris forster &#183; On Endnotes and Infinite Jest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] frequently noted when people mention the novel (followed, I think, by feral hamsters). In the first Roundtable discussion of the book, for instance, the Infinite Summer readers discuss the novel&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] frequently noted when people mention the novel (followed, I think, by feral hamsters). In the first Roundtable discussion of the book, for instance, the Infinite Summer readers discuss the novel&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On Endnotes &#171; ENG 590: Infinite Jest</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2873</link>
		<dc:creator>On Endnotes &#171; ENG 590: Infinite Jest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a taste of that same conversation from Infinite Summer.  You can find the entire call and response here, and below is a small taste of Matt Baldwin&#8217;s take, which sets the tone for the rest: I have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a taste of that same conversation from Infinite Summer.  You can find the entire call and response here, and below is a small taste of Matt Baldwin&#8217;s take, which sets the tone for the rest: I have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2719</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you didn&#039;t spoil anything.  I&#039;m just getting to this point and you&#039;re not ruining it.  Thanks for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you didn&#8217;t spoil anything.  I&#8217;m just getting to this point and you&#8217;re not ruining it.  Thanks for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Bass</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2713</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too. Happily enjoying the ride, and definitely ready for other rides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too. Happily enjoying the ride, and definitely ready for other rides.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Evans</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the martinet pun was pretty funny.</description>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2695</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I was disagreeing with Randy&#039;s assertion that &quot;Endnotes have nothing to do with what he wanted readers to experience.&quot; Not with your original post.

I like the idea that they don&#039;t need explanation - they simply are, and they add to the entire experience of reading the book. I don&#039;t need to clearly define each possible reason he included them in order to enjoy the book.

However.. I did try to define all of the thoughts floating around in my mind - and his, if he was honest in the interview, and I don&#039;t see any reason that he wouldnt be. He didnt seem like the kind of person that would fabricate explanations of his writing to safe face. I picture him more along the lines of someone who, like you said, overthought his writing.

The reason that I laid those explanations out was because I didn&#039;t believe agree that the endnotes don&#039;t factor into the overall experience of reading the book and I wanted to present several possibilities of his intentions or ways that the endnotes do have an impact on the overall text.

I think you and I essentially agree because, as far as I can tell, you ARE saying they influence the reader&#039;s experience - just in a way that doesn&#039;t need to be precisely analyzed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I was disagreeing with Randy&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;Endnotes have nothing to do with what he wanted readers to experience.&#8221; Not with your original post.</p>
<p>I like the idea that they don&#8217;t need explanation &#8211; they simply are, and they add to the entire experience of reading the book. I don&#8217;t need to clearly define each possible reason he included them in order to enjoy the book.</p>
<p>However.. I did try to define all of the thoughts floating around in my mind &#8211; and his, if he was honest in the interview, and I don&#8217;t see any reason that he wouldnt be. He didnt seem like the kind of person that would fabricate explanations of his writing to safe face. I picture him more along the lines of someone who, like you said, overthought his writing.</p>
<p>The reason that I laid those explanations out was because I didn&#8217;t believe agree that the endnotes don&#8217;t factor into the overall experience of reading the book and I wanted to present several possibilities of his intentions or ways that the endnotes do have an impact on the overall text.</p>
<p>I think you and I essentially agree because, as far as I can tell, you ARE saying they influence the reader&#8217;s experience &#8211; just in a way that doesn&#8217;t need to be precisely analyzed.</p>
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		<title>By: MathTT</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2691</link>
		<dc:creator>MathTT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also loved endnote 216.

Also feeling like I&#039;ve been reading this forever.  I&#039;ve got all these other books I want to read, and I&#039;m starting to wonder if I&#039;ll ever be done with this and able to pick up something else.  Halfway?  Only halfway?  Sigh.  Even though I&#039;m enjoying it, I do feel overwhelmed with the &quot;task&quot; at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also loved endnote 216.</p>
<p>Also feeling like I&#8217;ve been reading this forever.  I&#8217;ve got all these other books I want to read, and I&#8217;m starting to wonder if I&#8217;ll ever be done with this and able to pick up something else.  Halfway?  Only halfway?  Sigh.  Even though I&#8217;m enjoying it, I do feel overwhelmed with the &#8220;task&#8221; at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Aerodynamics</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>Aerodynamics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seems as though you (at least partially) agree with me, based on the congruence between your championing of Wallace&#039;s practice &quot;mimic[ing] natural thought&quot;, being really funny, etc. I put it a bit more simplistically (simple-mindedly) in saying that they&#039;re &#039;fun&#039;, but it comes out to about the same thing. 

Regarding Wallace&#039;s reasons, as you quoted them: 1) Interviewers tend to ask questions such as &quot;why all the endnotes?&quot; and if you don&#039;t have a better answer than &quot;because they&#039;re fun&quot; you can look like an idiot. 2)Wallace tended to overthink things -- such obsessing  large part of the appeal of his writing.

In other words, I suspect that Wallace began with the neurotic habit of footnoting first, then came up with the reasons second, rather than the other way around.

All of this is beside the point, however, as I&#039;m just annoyed with and taking to task the suggestion that such an integral element of an artists style can be parsed for meaning as though it were some symbol or motif.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seems as though you (at least partially) agree with me, based on the congruence between your championing of Wallace&#8217;s practice &#8220;mimic[ing] natural thought&#8221;, being really funny, etc. I put it a bit more simplistically (simple-mindedly) in saying that they&#8217;re &#8216;fun&#8217;, but it comes out to about the same thing. </p>
<p>Regarding Wallace&#8217;s reasons, as you quoted them: 1) Interviewers tend to ask questions such as &#8220;why all the endnotes?&#8221; and if you don&#8217;t have a better answer than &#8220;because they&#8217;re fun&#8221; you can look like an idiot. 2)Wallace tended to overthink things &#8212; such obsessing  large part of the appeal of his writing.</p>
<p>In other words, I suspect that Wallace began with the neurotic habit of footnoting first, then came up with the reasons second, rather than the other way around.</p>
<p>All of this is beside the point, however, as I&#8217;m just annoyed with and taking to task the suggestion that such an integral element of an artists style can be parsed for meaning as though it were some symbol or motif.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about it, I guess I&#039;m just surprised that I&#039;m that out of sync with some of those comments. I don&#039;t mean to step on anyone&#039;s honesty. The book does demand a lot, and it does have flaws. I apologize for lashing out, if that&#039;s what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about it, I guess I&#8217;m just surprised that I&#8217;m that out of sync with some of those comments. I don&#8217;t mean to step on anyone&#8217;s honesty. The book does demand a lot, and it does have flaws. I apologize for lashing out, if that&#8217;s what it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://infinitesummer.org/archives/1297/comment-page-1#comment-2683</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I don&#039;t mind being made out to be a martinet (pun intended) even if what I wrote bears little relation to your version. I cop to exaggerating a bit. Yes, enthusiasm was expressed, I admit it.

I remain surprised that anyone who has volunteered to guide other readers through the book would, at this stage, be complaining about the book&#039;s length, difficulty, or endnotes.  

You ask, in jest, &quot;Are you enjoying it enough?&quot; Is that actually such an outlandish question? If you all rate it a big B+, outstanding but too long, wasn&#039;t the summer kind of a waste? We reserve projects like this for the most special of books, not that any of you would deny that the book is special. But ... what can I say. Are the endnotes really that freaky? I am honestly surprised that this specific group of people could still have such profound reservations about the technique.  

Maybe you&#039;re all such close readers of fiction that the raggedness bothers you more than it does me. I don&#039;t know. 

According to the group of guides, I haven&#039;t even gotten to the good parts yet, but it all seems pretty delightful to me. I still think my comment on Proust is pretty apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I don&#8217;t mind being made out to be a martinet (pun intended) even if what I wrote bears little relation to your version. I cop to exaggerating a bit. Yes, enthusiasm was expressed, I admit it.</p>
<p>I remain surprised that anyone who has volunteered to guide other readers through the book would, at this stage, be complaining about the book&#8217;s length, difficulty, or endnotes.  </p>
<p>You ask, in jest, &#8220;Are you enjoying it enough?&#8221; Is that actually such an outlandish question? If you all rate it a big B+, outstanding but too long, wasn&#8217;t the summer kind of a waste? We reserve projects like this for the most special of books, not that any of you would deny that the book is special. But &#8230; what can I say. Are the endnotes really that freaky? I am honestly surprised that this specific group of people could still have such profound reservations about the technique.  </p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re all such close readers of fiction that the raggedness bothers you more than it does me. I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>According to the group of guides, I haven&#8217;t even gotten to the good parts yet, but it all seems pretty delightful to me. I still think my comment on Proust is pretty apt.</p>
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